Why the Government Needs to Change the UK Visa System!

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UK visa’s for Turks married to UK nationals are one of the biggest headaches for those with Turkish partners. A simple visit visa has you jumping through hoops for what sometimes is just a 1 to 2 week stay. But decide you want to go back and live in the UK, you need to apply for the dreaded settlement visa, which has to be the most ridiculous bit of legislation facing honest married couples.

ukvisasystemThis year has been an odd year for us and as I wrote about before we nearly took the decision to leave Turkey and try our luck in the UK. I am not one to do things by halves. When I make a decision I throw myself in head first and start looking at what needs to be done.

Article >>> A Divided Heart about Life in Turkey and a Twist of Fate

First up was getting my husband over to the UK. I had heard about the right to remain or settlement visa for the UK but had yet to really look into the actual details. As I sat down in front of the computer, pen and notebook to hand, I became more and more frustrated. My husband is a teacher and more than capable of retraining as a teacher in the UK and finding work.

I have always been able to find work and at a reasonable level, but having not worked for 4 years and been self-employed for 6 years before that, I wasn’t what you would say first pick for the best jobs any more.

Because what you are expected to earn in order to bring your partner into the UK is an average of £18,600 per year, have accommodation and be taking no benefits. You can’t have a sponsor and or use any savings unless the savings have been in your bank account for a set period.

The average wage they say in the UK is £26,000+ per year, but if you actually look at the average job you are looking at a huge bracket of easily available jobs which earn around £15,000 to £20,000. All the jobs in my own skill set which made the required amount by the government, where highly competitive jobs, normally full time and extremely hard to get!

Average Salary www.reed.co.uk/average-salary#

Average Salary www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-average-salary-26500-figures-3002995

As a mother and because I would have to return to the UK without my husband, this would mean I would be in essence a single Mum, working a full time job, which most likely would leave me little time to look after my son. I would then need to pay for crèche for my Son and not be able to look after him myself. But if my husband was with me and able to work, I could work part time and him full time and be able to care for our son.

I even applied for a job, but because of my recent track record I wasn’t even considered for an interview, I continues to look at options some where do able and I would do them if that was what it took to get my husband to the UK. I am no sponger, I don’t want to waste tax payers money after all I am a tax payer!

But what can you do if you don’t have the skill set to get an £18,600 job? not much, you can combine incomes, take more than one job or work part time and part time self-employed or full time self-employed but you need at least a year’s accounts to prove what you earn.

Then there is all the other paper work and checks and the fact they don’t even bother to interview the applicant which may give you a chance to explain your circumstance and win them over.

Article>>> Applying for a Visit Visa

What is now become more and more clear everyday, there are families around the world living apart because as British Citizens we are being treated like immigrants. We are not allowed to bring our partner into the UK and build our lives in our own country. A country that allows 1000s of immigrants through the door everyday but picks on the honest family trying to be together in the UK.

If you are a EU citizen you can walk into Britain, bring your family and start a life in the UK with few questions asked. How is it fair that non UK but an EU citizen just like we are, can walk into our own country and bring their family yet we as British Citizens and EU Citizens have almost kill ourselves and split our family up just to be able to live in our own country!

Tell me how that is fair?

The system is completely unfair and against human rights. One group tried to take this to the courts it went through the courts and on to the high court. The judge agreed it was against our human rights, he agreed it was incorrect, but was to scared and he probably also knew it was to hard to overturn a government rule. The government would have agreed and kept it in place until the election, where mostly likely they wouldn’t need to deal with it.

How is it these MPs, can have their foreign nanny’s and cleaners, yet we can’t have our partners to live with us or even come into the UK with ease just to visit home. I dread the thought of my parents becoming ill and I need to go home to care for them and have to leave my husband behind and deal with everything on my own, just because it would be to much hassle to get a visa sorted for him and god help me if I have to return for a long time.

There are many petitions and groups people fighting for the visa system to be changed, because not only us who are married to Turks but many around the world seem not to have the right to live in our own country with our families.

Every day I hear of someone who has been rejected for a visit visa, a settlement visa. Of families having to meet in EU countries to visit each other because its easier to get Schengen visa, than get into the the UK.

Families are having to move to an EU country to live for a period of time till their partner can apply for the a passport of that country and therefore become an EU citizen. Then they can walk into the UK and bring their British Citizen partner into the UK to live.

See the Surinder Singh Route en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinder_Singh_route

How crazy is that?

Listen up those who can make change, we don’t want to come in a milk the system, our husbands and wives want to work and make a life in the UK, they are not trying to con they UK tax payer or break the law. All the want is come and live with their Wife or Husband who wish to live in their own country as UK citizens, because life is hard here in Turkey and we cannot choose who we fall in love with and marry. Love has no barriers.

So do something to help us, create a visa or passport something we can apply for. Like here in Turkey we can become Turkish citizens after 3 years of marriage, with only small hoops to jump.

We don’t mind waiting a few years of marriage, we don’t mind having to prove our intent like the American Green Card. We just want a fair system for UK Citizens married to foreigners to be able to come and go from the UK or come and live in our own country…..

Stop splitting up families, you all talk of family values yet you don’t care when you split us up for falling in love and treat us like immigrants.

Yet you the government allow thousands of immigrants through the doors with no connection to the UK, give them housing and benefits. Why? Because you tell us it’s their Human Right to be treated this way. You tell us they boost the economy. I don’t say your lying but do see the irony in this?

Why don’t you allow, the British Citizen who is married to a non EU citizen to bring their partner and children into the UK and allow our partners to work. Surely it’s better to do this and look after your own citizens Human Rights and allow your own Citizens to boost the economy. Instead of those with no connection to the UK?

This article is for all those who are struggling day in and day out, living without your partners and fighting against the government policy that makes coming home to the UK almost an impossibility.

Links to Petitions:

www.change.org/p/theresa-may-new-uk-immigration-laws-are-tearing-families-apart-change-them-now

www.change.org/p/the-uk-home-office-lower-the-income-requirement-for-spouse-family-visas

I am fed up feeling like a third class citizen of the UK just because I married a Turk.

I want you to tell your stories here good and bad, I want you to post your links to petitions and discussions and groups that help here in the comments.

Make this a point to help others and push the UK Government to change the Visa system for those married to non EU citizens!!

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27 Responses to “Why the Government Needs to Change the UK Visa System!”

  1. 11th November 2014

    backtobodrum Reply

    Good luck. The system has recently become very unfair. I took my daughter and husband yo the Uk 15 years ago and both became British citizens without too much trouble but I’m sure this wouldn’t be the case now.

    • 12th November 2014

      Kerry Arslan Reply

      I regret that we didn’t move to the UK the year we married as just after that the system changed. I feel so sorry for all the families struggling through the system. We are just lucky we have somewhere in Turkey we are happy for now anyway.

  2. 12th November 2014

    Michelle Cakmak Reply

    Couldn’t have said it better myself hun, I was in same situation as you although we actually applied twice, lost lots of money, caused ourselves unbelievable stress and spend too much time apart still to receive a big fat NO!!! We are here altogether in Turkey, not really where we want to be…especially me, but at least we allowed to be a family in this country! We are still adamant we want to return to Uk but look impossible!xx

    • 12th November 2014

      Maggie Carter Reply

      Good luck hope one day things will be made a little easier.

    • 12th November 2014

      Kerry Arslan Reply

      Thats a shame Micelle, I really hope you can be happy here in Turkey. It can be such a hard life here. You can’t help who you fall in love with.

  3. 12th November 2014

    Sandy Reply

    Great article Kerry…… Three more things I feel it is important to mention….
    1). 47% of the UK population don’t earn £18600 and more importantly 60% of women don’t. Women trying to earn this end up working 2 or 3 jobs and claiming benefits as single parents to cover the childcare costs.
    2) the Government say they are trying to reduce the burden on the tax payer….,,,a spouse visa has a big stamp on it saying NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS. They cannot claim benefits for 5 years.
    3). This affects all non EU spouses. Including Australians, Americans and Canadians. I have heard cases of well qualified Drs and University lecturers with firm job offers at UK hospitals and Universities been refused because their wives don’t earn enough money, They do not take the spouse’s education levels or earning potential into consideration.

  4. 12th November 2014

    Paul Reply

    I’m happy with the current visa arrangements. No one should be entering the country if they are likely to be any kind of financial drain on taxpayers in the UK and it has to be up to whoever wants to come to the UK to prove they will not be. That unfortunately means jumping through hoops but the alternative is that all and asunder could get on a plane and live here.

    • 12th November 2014

      Christine Reply

      Paul, I think pretty much all and sundry already do get on a plane and live here.

    • 12th November 2014

      Kerry Arslan Reply

      I am glad you are happy Paul, I only hope you never have to go through the system. And thank you for calling as all and sundry. We are honest hard working British Citizens who only want to live our lives in our own country. Is it our fault we fell in love with someone who isn’t a British Citizen? Yet any non British EU citizen can walk in and start to claim benefits, who knows who these people are because they don’t get checked.

    • 12th November 2014

      sabrina Reply

      Sorry but ur chatting crap the government r letting in people that r taking from the taxs payers we did not want money off noone we have enough to live on but the government tell us we need more they wanted people like me to work 60 hours a week.to get wat they think we need an bring up the 3 kid’s on my own my husband was offered 3 jobs if he got his visa an I was offered full time work if they would of let my husband in the government would be getting 2 more people paying tax so don’t tar everyone off with the same brush take a good look at the government ur supporting cos there letting the wrong people in.

  5. 12th November 2014

    Christine Reply

    I couldn’t agree more with this.

  6. 12th November 2014

    sabrina Reply

    Hi my name is sabrina I have been with my husband for 12 years we been married 9 we were living in turkey for 9 years when we were expecting r 3 baby we decided to move back to England I went first an got the house an job my husband first done 2 6 mouths visits because his mum was not well then last year we decided to go for settlement visa I got a job 22 years a week witch is all I could do with 3 kids under 4 we applyed an then got r visa put on hold for 12 months me and the kids only seen there dad for 6 weeks in that year that was in a week here a week there just for them to say am not working enough so we decided to go back to visit visas till I can up my hours but now he’s getting refund a visit visa now cos he did get the settlement visa so we decided to give up fight after 18 mouths an a lot of money later an move back to turkey we than tryed one more time to get a visit visa so 1 we can see my husband an 2 the kids could see there dad while we pack the house in the UK up but they not even letting come over to help me so now am in the UK an my husband is in turkey an I have to pack I house up on my own with the 3 kid’s an the kids won’t see the dad now for another 5 months till we move we cont go till next year cos r son will lose a year of school so we’re stuck here till the school year finish 🙁

    • 12th November 2014

      Kerry Arslan Reply

      It just shows how strong a person you are Sabrina, you are looking after you kids, working and now packing up to go home. You have done a grand job, but been let down by your own country. Good luck with your move back and I hope you all find happiness in being together. x

    • 12th November 2014

      Dave Tierney Reply

      Sabrina,I know you and Mustafa (Chris)well and I know the effort you have both made to build your lives together,Pauls generalisation comment about “all and sundry” smacks of ignorance,we know how hard Chris work’s and that he would be no different if he did come to the UK,you have 3 lovely kids,have been married for 9 yrs,does that sound like a man who is married just to get a visa ? My country is a dustbin for some real scum from Europe who can come and go as they please,but honest hard working happy families from outside the UK are treat like shit,wish I could help,makes you proud to be British…yeah right. Love to you all xx

      • 12th November 2014

        sabrina Reply

        Thanks dave at least I will get to see you both every year again 🙂 I just couldn’t wait to be a family again its been to long see u in the summer xx

  7. 12th November 2014

    Racky Villaflores Reply

    God bless you and my sincere sympathy and good luck. I hope that UK government will take an action to this.

  8. 13th November 2014

    anita bullen Reply

    I think we have to many foreigners in this country as it is. If someone wishes to marry somebody from abroad, then they should go live with them in there country. Sorry I don’t want to offend anyone, but that’s my opinion on this subject. I’ve seen so many people who marry then bring their spouse over here, only to find they just wanted a meal ticket into this country. The government has always been to lack with this issue, so it’s about time they put a stop to it. From now on keep Britain British, and give the people in its country a chance.

  9. 14th November 2014

    jothirsk Reply

    This article really struck a chord with me because my husband was refused a visa to visit Manchester in the summer. Ihad to go home to see my mum who had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. I wanted my husband to visit just a week or 10days as i needed to stay a while but he was refused a visa?.we enclosed a doctors letter proving my mums illness and the home office even spoke to my mum on the phone. However after all the letters and phone calls they refused visa because they thought my husband was coming only to get work and would not return to Turkey! I was devastated and it meant my husband couldnt see his wife and daughter for 3 mths! It is a very difficult time for me right now with my mum being seriously ill but it mskes it worse that my husband may never be able to visit Manchester with me and see his mother in law…We are trying for a visa again @ Christmas but doubt they,ll allow it..It breaks my heart that we who have a genuine excuse to visit and a deeply moving one, it could b my mums last Christmas but it looks like me and my daughter will be travelling alone again to spend a very sad Christmas with my very poorly mum…The government needs to listen more to people who are making genuine applications but it seems they don,t really care! I have lost all faith in the whole visa process now.

  10. 16th November 2014

    Jane Ozmus Reply

    And who would you define as British Anita Bullen. Would they be the Vikings, the Normans, Hugenots, Celts…..?

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  12. 7th December 2014

    karen milburn Reply

    i have been with my partner for 10 years we have 2 girls age 7 and 8 we are not married and have no intentions to do so just to get a piece of paper.We came to the Uk on a visit visa because my partner has very little english well at the time we opened a business i worked he looked after the children and took English lessons we employed 4 other people. because he had limited english we could not apply for long term visa we thought that once his language was up to speed we wouldnt have any problems we had a viable business in both our names when we applied we submited everything to do with the business letters from his teachers letters from the childrens school and everything else they asked for and guess what we were turned down. He was in Turkey i had a business to run and two children to look after. İ started work at 3 in the morning where was i going to find childcare for unsocial hours so we ended up closing the business moving back to Turkey where my partner works 17 hours a day and sleeps the other 8. What kind of family life is this but we have no choice if we want to stay together as a family. İm sorry Paul but you havent a clue what u are talking about. Yes we need a system in place but for families who have already proven they are not just after a visa for the Uk especially those with children then things need to change as it is the children that suffer in the long run being without both parents. We are the same age there is no huge age gap we are not a couple of youngsters we are both in our 40s. Think about it if i came back to the Uk now to be able to work full time i would need child care which i believe is paid for in part by the government if i couldnt work full time as i would be classed as a single parent i would be able to claim as a single parent to top up my income again claiming from the taxpayers. However if my partner was with me i could work part time while the children were in school my partner full time and then we would not claim at the tax payers expense this is logic however you and the government dont seem to think logically thats why the country is in such a mess at the minute. My partner is not work shy as i said earlier he works no less than 17 hours a day here would you work like that i dont think so some how neither would most of the work force in the Uk and he has a trade so please dont paint every one with the same brush

  13. 2nd February 2015

    Mel Reply

    Well, said Kerry. Never mind about even trying to live there, just trying to take a 10 day holiday with my Turkish husband in the UK to visit my elderly mum has had us tied up in knots, crying and losing thousands of lira, not to mention the wasted time. I won’t go into the tedious details, but I’m still reeling from the mess they made of it.

    When you compare this to the ease with which the average British tourist can book a flight and purchase their tourist visa on line for less than the cost of two packets of cigarettes, no questions asked, it makes you realise just how ridiculously unfair the system is. Don’t tell me it’s because the tourists will spend money. Doesn’t the UK have a tourist industry too?

    Not everyone wishing to come to the UK wants to stay and plunder the taxpayers coffers.
    Some of us HAVE left those grey wet shores to live with our spouses here. Does that mean we should be denied the ease with which British tourists can travel freely for a holiday? And what if, like some posters above, I do need to return home for a spell for family reasons? I’d like to be with my husband and not separated. I’m not married to Abu Hamza.

    I hope people like Paul and Anita DO have to go through the system sometime. Nothing beats experience for a steep learning curve.

  14. 6th March 2015

    Gill Guler Reply

    Hopefully a new goverment will be formed in turkey and uk this may and June. us Britts who keep the immigration/visa section in good profit, should be heard and new immigration/ visa policy for our partners should be granted. However its the same old , Money Money Money.
    To all of you who have not been granted visas, i do feel for you. I was very lucky, every visa we applied for was granted no questions asked. However did on many occassions spend months apart until visas granted.
    My husband is now a british National, Made our life so much easier and we are FREE.
    However its taken thousands of pounds for all visas, travel, paperwork and all the messing around over the years.
    We are happy in the UK, both of us working. We will return to Dalaman for the summer this year.
    Dont give up, your British.

    Gill

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